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4 days ago
4 days ago
36 min
Building Better Partnerships: Chris Haas on Partnership, Alignment, and Preparedness.
In this Off The Wire episode, the hosts interview Chris about what makes co-ops better partners to their vendors, especially amid merger-related change and uncertainty. Chris says great members stand out by being engaged partners, coming prepared with clear outcomes and detailed requirements, and communicating early rather than at the last minute. He highlights how unclear or poorly thought-out requests drive rework, and outlines three preparation essentials: internal alignment across teams, defining the desired outcome, and setting realistic expectations about value and effort. The discussion covers how collective, multi-co-op requests gain priority, why “minor tweaks” often create cascading work, and how misalignment during major migrations can waste time and money. Chris emphasizes encouragement and respectful feedback, noting relationships can drift with turnover, and recommends strategic planning and relationship-building to strengthen partnerships.
00:00 Flip the Script
01:54 Great Co-op Partners
03:46 Costly Behaviors
05:42 Three Keys Prepared
09:27 Strategy and Buy In
10:43 Too Little Detail
13:25 Misalignment Migration
18:45 Communicate Earlier
20:10 Roadmap Priority Rules
21:37 Feedback That Matters
23:51 Toxic Feedback Lines
25:09 When Partnerships Drift
26:36 Managing Turnover Handoffs
27:42 Lightning Round Rapid Fire
29:43 Merger Reactions And Anxiety
32:17 Deeper Partnerships Post Merger
33:24 Strategy Alignment With Vendors
36:33 Wrap Up And Podcast Plug

Aug 10, 2026
Aug 10, 2026
39 min
We talk a lot about enterprise tech on this show. This week we flipped it: the tech we spend our own money on.
Anthony and Tanner each built a top 5 list plus one honorable mention, and neither of us knew what was on the other's list. Real-time reactions, real gear, and a price range that runs from $36 to a few thousand dollars. Anthony's list ran cheap and practical. Tanner's ran toward infrastructure. Somehow we ended up at opposite ends of the spectrum on almost every single pick.
ANTHONY'S LIST
5. Anker 65W charger bricks
4. Wyze camera system
HM. AliExpress soldering station with heat gun
3. Bambu Lab P1S 3D printer
2. CM3588 flash-based NAS
1. OpenClaw AI agent server
TANNER'S LIST
5. Segway Navimow robot mower
4. Tempest home weather station
HM. Password manager (family plan)
3. EcoFlow battery and solar
2. Lutron Caseta smart switches
1. Ubiquiti network gear
CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro and the rules
03:55 Anthony #5: Anker chargers
05:40 Tanner #5: Robot mower
09:15 Anthony #4: Wyze cameras
10:40 Tanner #4: Tempest weather station
14:15 Why co-op people are obsessed with weather
15:20 Anthony honorable mention: Soldering station
17:30 Tanner honorable mention: Password manager
19:55 Anthony #3: Bambu Lab 3D printer
22:30 Tanner #3: EcoFlow batteries
26:45 Anthony #2: Flash NAS build
29:20 Tanner #2: Lutron Caseta and the Wife Approval Factor
32:20 Anthony #1: Running your own AI agent
35:30 Tanner #1: Ubiquiti
41:00 Wrap up
What's your number one piece of personal tech? Drop it in the comments. Got an episode idea, a question, or want to come on the show? Reach out on LinkedIn or email show@offthewirepodcast.com. Off the Wire covers cybersecurity, IT leadership, and technology for electric cooperatives and small business IT teams. Subscribe so you don't miss an episode.

Jul 27, 2026
Jul 27, 2026
31 min
Manage Yourself, Not Just the Work: IT Leadership Principles - Part 2 | Off The Wire
In this Part 2 philosophical episode of Off The Wire, Tanner and Anthony discuss internal leadership temperament: adopting a “duck” mindset to let criticism and setbacks roll off, and a “bison” mindset to face hard situations head-on rather than avoiding them. They explore staying slightly unsatisfied as a leader while still enjoying wins, avoiding judgment of others’ intent without context, and remembering your roots by staying humble and authentic as you advance. They emphasize the patience required for long-term decisions, including a story about a delayed promotion that ultimately made sense because the speaker wasn’t ready. The conversation shifts to bandwidth and prioritization—every “yes” means a “no,” organizations must be ready for change, leaders should speak last, and effective work requires managing energy and making time to think.
They preview an Apex Meridian Conference session on becoming better customers to vendors.
00:00 philosophy part 2
01:01 Be the duck: letting things roll off
03:05 Tattoo Versus Bruise
03:05 CLIP: Tattoo Versus Bruise
04:14 Be the bison: walk into the storm
05:04 Bison Into The Storm
05:10 CLIP: Bison Into The Storm
05:49 CLIP: Embrace The Suck
05:51 Embrace The Suck
05:58 Staying unsatisfied without burning out
08:21 You were preceded by good leaders
08:53 Preceded By Good Leaders
10:08 Intent versus actions
11:09 Judged By Intentions
11:09 CLIP: Judged By Intentions
11:58 Don't forget your roots
12:43 Walked Down The Hall
12:43 CLIP: Walked Down The Hall
14:57 Patience, and the promotion that didn't come
15:09 CLIP: TSA Job Description
18:23 I Wasn't Ready
18:23 CLIP: I Wasn't Ready
19:02 Prioritization: every yes is a no
20:14 Silently Saying No
20:14 CLIP: Silently Saying No
22:05 Speak Last
22:05 CLIP: Speak Last
22:48 Managing energy, not just time
27:56 CLIP: Multitasking Counter
28:08 One piece of advice for pre-leader Anthony
29:17 Don't Dwell On The Past
29:17 CLIP: Don't Dwell On The Past

Jul 13, 2026
Jul 13, 2026
35 min
Leading IT Teams: People-First IT Leadership (Off The Wire, Part 1)
How do you lead an IT team well? In Part 1 of this IT leadership series, Anthony Kent and Tanner Greer get out of the tech stack and into the people side of leading IT teams: managing people, giving feedback, taking blame, sharing credit, and earning your team's trust. Topics covered: why the golden rule fails at work and what to do instead, why a performance review should never contain a surprise, how to make IT's work visible to executives and the board, taking responsibility when things go wrong and passing credit when things go right, hiring people smarter than you and getting out of their way, and why recognition has to happen before you ask your team for extra effort. Off The Wire is a podcast for IT leaders, IT managers, and directors at electric cooperatives and small-to-midsize businesses. Real talk on IT leadership, cybersecurity, and strategy from two operators who do this work every day.
Chapters:
00:00 Cold open: a leader takes the blame
00:28 Intro and episode framing
01:54 Why IT leaders avoid people topics
02:49 IT is getting a seat at the table
05:40 Treating people how they want to be treated
07:57 Reading people and figuring out what they need
09:01 Asking directly how someone wants to be led
12:17 Performance reviews should never surprise anyone
20:11 Defining the direction for your team
20:31 Taking blame when things fail, giving credit for wins
22:55 Making IT work visible to the rest of the organization
26:02 Get out of your team's way: hire people smarter than you
27:38 Do what you ask your team to do
29:52 The cardboard box story: character is always visible
30:49 Recognition: find something genuine for everyone
34:00 Replenishing the cup: earning the right to make demands
Part 2 drops soon. Subscribe so you don't miss it. #ITLeadership #Leadership #TechLeadership

Jun 29, 2026
Jun 29, 2026
37 min
Business Continuity Plans: Why They’re Hard, Why They Matter, and How to Build One
Tanner and Anthony discuss why business continuity plans (BCPs) are often one of the last cybersecurity “baseline” goals organizations complete, largely due to documentation burdens and the fear of committing to recovery metrics. They clarify how a BCP differs from an incident response plan, emphasizing that BCPs define how to maintain or restore operations after major disruptions using recovery time objectives and acceptable data loss. They outline practical ways to build a plan using NIST guidance, peers, and industry templates, and cover key components including defined roles with backups, tiering critical systems, backup/retention details, known alternatives, recovery strategies with dependencies and workarounds, communication plans with update cadence and message templates, and regular testing and review. They also note tailoring plans to each organization and avoiding unnecessary separate documents.
00:00 Intro & Why Business Continuity Planning Matters
01:59 Recovery Time Objectives and Metrics
03:56 Why Put Metrics on Paper: Fears and Benefits
06:07 Why Build a BCP: Reasons, Structure, and Tiers Overview
13:17 Risk Assessment and Incident Levels
16:10 Defining System Criticality Tiers
26:55 Building Known Alternatives into Each Tier
36:14 Wrap-up
ABOUT OFF THE WIRE
Off the Wire is a podcast on cybersecurity and IT leadership for the electric cooperative and small business world. Real operations, real tradeoffs, and the decisions that actually keep the lights on. Hosted by Anthony Kent and Tanner.
Subscribe for new episodes, and if this was useful, leave a comment with how your team handles continuity planning.
#BusinessContinuity #ElectricCooperative #ITLeadership #Cybersecurity #DisasterRecovery

Jun 15, 2026
Jun 15, 2026
33 min
How to Get an IT Headcount Proposal Approved: Speak in Risk, Value, and Data
The hosts discuss how IT leaders can successfully propose adding staff when teams are overextended and work keeps piling up. They emphasize starting with the real problem—unmet business value, security/compliance risk, cyber insurance requirements, ticket backlogs, and burnout/retention risk—then backing the request with data such as project lists, vulnerability and compliance gaps, device and ticket growth, peer staffing comparisons, and feedback from other departments. They advise focusing on responsibilities and business impact rather than job titles, researching comparable organizations carefully, and presenting alternatives like contractors, interns, or part-time roles with true fully loaded costs. The conversation also covers delivery tactics: have an in-person sit-down, be confident and prepared, time the meeting well, seed the narrative in advance, rehearse tough questions (including via AI role-play), and keep a tiered fallback plan with follow-ups if the answer is no.
00:00 Intro
02:04 Keep the List
05:10 Start With the Problem
08:00 Do Your Research
10:19 Responsibilities Over Titles
13:40 Weigh the Alternatives
17:16 The Real Cost of a Hire
18:24 Delivering the Proposal
20:52 Timing the Ask
22:20 Plant the Seeds Early
25:20 Rehearse It (and Use AI)
28:15 Have a Fallback Plan
31:53 Final Thoughts
33:40 Outro
Keywords: IT headcount proposal, how to justify new IT staff, IT staffing business case, getting headcount approved, building a business case for hiring, IT budget proposal, IT leadership, IT management, IT workforce planning, understaffed IT team, IT burnout and retention, cybersecurity staffing, compliance risk, cyber insurance requirements, ticket backlog, fully loaded cost of an employee, contractors vs full-time, presenting to leadership, executive buy-in, electric cooperative IT, utility IT, SMB IT, Off the Wire podcast
#ITLeadership #Cybersecurity #ITManagement #ITStaffing #ElectricCooperative #SMBIT #ITStrategy #OffTheWire

Jun 1, 2026
Jun 1, 2026
37 min
Why Hardware Prices Are Skyrocketing in 2026 (RAM, SSDs, Servers) — and What You Can Do
Hardware budgets are breaking. Quotes that were good for 30 days are now expiring in hours. That $80k workstation quote? It's $160k now. That server quote near $1M? Already $1.3M — and climbing. In this episode, Tanner and Anthony break down what's actually driving the spike in RAM, SSDs, hard drives, servers, and networking gear — and it's not just tariffs. AI data center buildouts are pulling manufacturers toward high-margin HBM memory (roughly 10x the margin of standard DRAM), leaving everything else fighting for supply. With only three major players (Samsung, SK Hynix, Micron) and factory expansions that take 2-3 years, relief isn't coming fast.
More importantly — what do you do about it right now? They cover practical steps: faster approval cycles, buying ahead, standardizing hardware, right-sizing, considering refurb and used gear, extended refresh cycles, cloud compute, and leasing. Plus how to brief leadership before the budget conversation catches you off guard.
This one's for anyone managing IT budgets at a lean organization — co-op, municipal, small enterprise. The volatility is real and it's not going away anytime soon.
00:00 Truck Price Shock Skit
01:54 Hardware Quotes Going Wild
02:46 Real World Sticker Stories
04:36 Why Memory Costs Surge
07:01 HBM vs DRAM Margins
09:08 Factories Tariffs New Normal
13:44 Beyond RAM Storage Crunch
16:53 Quotes Expire Faster Than Ever
20:23 Practical Ways To Cope
26:36 Refurb Longer Cycles Cloud
32:21 When Relief Might Come
37:01 Wrap Up Lead With Communication
Off the Wire is a cybersecurity and IT leadership podcast for practitioners at small-to-medium organizations and electric cooperatives.

May 18, 2026
May 18, 2026
32 min
The SaaSpocalypse: How AI Is Killing (and Reshaping) SaaS Tools
In this episode of Off The Wire, Anthony and Tanner discuss the “SaaSpocalypse”—how AI is disrupting and potentially replacing many SaaS products—citing examples like Figma being hit after Claude Design launched, reduced need for Canva due to AI tools, and vulnerable niche apps like Grammarly as Copilot and Google tools bake AI directly into core suites. They debate whether AI pricing is currently subsidized, noting high API, hardware, and power costs that could drive subscriptions much higher over time. They explore how AI could become the primary interface layer, reducing the need for traditional web UIs and even replacing documentation platforms by querying SharePoint-backed datasets through an agent. For IT leaders, they recommend evaluating SaaS at renewal time, starting with narrow tools, moving gradually, and prioritizing cost savings while accounting for change management and human behavior.
00:00 SaaSpocalypse Explained
00:14 Figma And Canva Wakeup Call
01:35 SaaS Vendors Racing To Add AI
02:53 Why AI Pricing Will Rise
07:25 Which Tools Are Most Vulnerable
11:20 AI As The New Interface Layer
16:47 Advice For CIOs And IT Leaders
25:10 LinkedIn And The AI Slop Problem
31:00 Final Takeaways And Wrap Up